England Supporters Club

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• Dextter Roberts

  

  • 6 Dec 2019 9:34 AM

  In reply to Matthew Isle:

  Thanks Matthew. I do keep an eye on the thread you regularly post, and it is very good work for sure. Was just slightly unsure if the ESTC would calculate 70% of each category and work off this, rather than 70% of the whole allocation then work out categories.
  
  For example 70% of 3250 is 2275 and we just miss out on this, assuming everyone applies of course. Would hate to be in the scenario of being guaranteed a ticket, but missing out on one due to category splits.

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• Matthew Isle

  

  • 6 Dec 2019 9:43 AM

  In reply to Dextter Roberts:

  Yes - that's exactly what I meant about the method of calculation.
  
  Fingers crossed it's the later.
  
  Don't worry, just yet, and let's await any further information in the next couple of weeks.
  
  My own thoughts are that the L16 and especially the quarters will be a lot less desirable for ESTC members anyway.
  
  I can also imagine a number of tickets becoming available (hopefully to ESTC members only) when people realise the size of the bill just after Christmas when they get their application results.

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• Dextter Roberts

  

  • 6 Dec 2019 9:48 AM

  In reply to Matthew Isle:

  You'd assume they'd calculate it from 70% of the 5000 (or 7000) initially, then sort categories out after, hopefully anyway!
  
  Yeah I totally agree on that, with many seeing it as a home tournament and; should we win the group, it being 2 expensive cities many have done before, the uptake I don't think will be particularly huge.

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• Ian Costain

  

  • 6 Dec 2019 10:05 AM

  In reply to Dextter Roberts:

  It's a very interesting question about the method of calculation! I wonder if the ESTC will disclose which one it is.
  
  Either way seems viable. If it's the second method then there would likely be no Category 3 tickets available at all after the 70%. And that's what makes me think they might do it using the 70% of each category method.

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• Matthew Isle

  

  • 6 Dec 2019 10:16 AM

  In reply to Ian Costain:

  One of ways seems disadvantageous to higher cappers, within the 70%.
  
  Anyway it's all in the air currently until we, hopefully, get to know a bit more information.

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• David Lilley

  

  • 6 Dec 2019 11:25 AM

  As has already been said, the Belgian figures might not necessarily apply for England matches. Their allocation for group matches is 8000 (St Petersburg) and 5000 (Copenhagen) whereas we are getting 12000 (Wembley). Perhaps these extra tickets are mainly category 3 ? Also, the Belgian percentages seem to exclude the 'Fans First' tickets.
  
  The application window has only been open for 2 days and there are still 12 days to go. I expect that, by the middle of next week, most members who want tickets will have applied. Even the new joiners who are still waiting for their access codes will probably have submitted their applications by next Wednesday. Around that time, I expect the ESTC team to issue a bulletin indicating in broad terms, how most members have applied, i.e. which matches and which categories. They will then give some high level guidance about whether certain members need to review their choice of ticket category. Until that happens, members should just sit on their hands and chill out.

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• Michael Glenister

  

  • 6 Dec 2019 12:01 PM

  In reply to Daniel Gooch:

  If there is truth to this and it applies to us I would say this is atrocious. Why on earth would fans that have consistently attended games not be given a big block of tickets almost exclusively behind either goal.

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• Anthony Simpson

  

  • 6 Dec 2019 4:34 PM

  In reply to Matthew Isle:

  Mathew me and my son are applying jointly he is on 32 caps and I’m on 24 do you think if we go for cat 2 for the last 16 & q/f ticking the box to go up or down I stand a better chance for these games

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• Matthew Isle

  

  • 6 Dec 2019 5:23 PM

  In reply to Anthony Simpson:

  Anthony Simpson

  Mathew me and my son are applying jointly he is on 32 caps and I’m on 24 do you think if we go for cat 2 for the last 16 & q/f ticking the box to go up or down I stand a better chance for these games

  Regarding the categories to choose - as you know these rounds we could potentially have only a 5k allocation.

  Hence you (on 24 caps) are no longer mathematically guaranteed a ticket in the 70% whatever category you choose.

  As we've said before you need to hope others don't apply or apply for different cats or the ESTC get more tickets for these two rounds.

  Not sure what 'stand a better chance' means - better chance than if you'd selected cat 1 or cat 3 and ticked the box maybe? If thats the case then the answer is yes as effectively you are giving yourself three cats to be viable for.

  But anyway I think we lay off thinking too much and await the ESTC guidance on category split. 

  Not really a help, I know, but if you are desperate for a ticket and have the means then at least it gives you some thinking time about how far you'd go.

  I guess you can appease yourself knowing that if you have to dig deep on tickets it's money you've saved on the other trips you've not gone too.

  PS take this in the spirit it's meant. Am trying to help but don't want to give wrong or bad advice.

  PPS your son on 32 caps IS guaranteed for these 5k matches. If the correct ticket cat is selected etc etc

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• Anthony Simpson

  

  • 6 Dec 2019 5:57 PM

  In reply to Matthew Isle:

  Thanks mathew like you say picking cat 2 gives me 3 cats I can go too hence a better chance for myself.. everyone’s advice on here always welcome

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• Daniel Gooch

  

  • 6 Dec 2019 7:11 PM

  In reply to Daniel Gooch:

  Interestingly, French sources say their fans have got 70% category 3 for the first round (nothing about the later rounds though).
  
  sport24.lefigaro.fr/.../euro-2020-24.000-tickets-vendus-en-4h-pour-les-bleus-984605

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• nathan barton

  

  • 6 Dec 2019 7:19 PM

  In reply to David Lilley:

  Is anyone able to clarify what happens in the scenario where one relatively higher capper on 48 caps (me) and one relatively low capper on 12 caps apply together but although the person on lower caps qualifies for a ticket their choice of category is not available (we're looking at Cat C with option to upgrade to B for the group games).
  
  If this did happen would both of us miss out or would the 48 capper still get allocated a ticket (obviously assuming that 48 caps was above the cut off for the category ordered).
  
  There is a similar example in the FAQs but it doesn't quite answer this question I don't think,

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• Matthew Isle

  

  • 6 Dec 2019 7:37 PM

  In reply to nathan barton:

  nathan barton

  Is anyone able to clarify what happens in the scenario where one relatively higher capper on 48 caps (me) and one relatively low capper on 12 caps apply together but although the person on lower caps qualifies for a ticket their choice of category is not available (we're looking at Cat C with option to upgrade to B for the group games).
  
  If this did happen would both of us miss out or would the 48 capper still get allocated a ticket (obviously assuming that 48 caps was above the cut off for the category ordered).
  
  There is a similar example in the FAQs but it doesn't quite answer this question I don't think,

  Hi Nathan

  Just amend the A, B & C's with 1,2 or 3s and let us know what games you are looking at applying for.

  Although it won't change the rules it might help get some rough advice.

  In the mean time - you'll probably know that to guarantee a ticket in the 70% a 12 capper needs 10.6k allocation.

  Right that's enough for me for today.

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• nathan barton

  

  • 6 Dec 2019 7:55 PM

  In reply to Matthew Isle:

  Sorry Matthew - the two games in question are the first two group games (I'm going to the rest but these are the only ones I have this situation for). I meant to say that we've ordered Cat 3 with option to go to Cat 2. Assuming 50% Cat 3, 25% Cat 2 based on current numbers we would be okay, But of course we don't know what actual splits would be so it's the rule itself I'm interested in - would we both miss out if the 12 capper didn't make the category caps cut off or only the 12 capper?

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• David Lilley

  

  • 6 Dec 2019 8:08 PM

  In reply to nathan barton:

  If I were running the ballots, this is what I would do. If the 48 capper and the 12 capper were both successful in the allocation / ballot then I would make sure that they both got tickets in the same category.
  
  I would decline to answer any questions, whether general or specific, about how it is decided which category to give them. I would ensure that no 'rule' is ever disclosed on this forum or over the telephone about how we allocate members to ticket categories. Why ? Because I would not want to set any precedents, or give members any pretext for saying that they hadn't been treated fairly according to some rule. I would do everything to keep things secret so as to preserve the opportunity to exercise discretion over all such decisions, even if it meant reaching a different decision in similar circumstances.

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