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hi all just wondering what everyones plans are regarding tickets 

do you A cash in take the money 

            B gamble and see how it pans out March/ June 

            c wait a few days and see what the FA comes up with 

Friday we were going to cash in take the money and run but after some carefull though and reading comments on here we have decided to wait till next Friday and see how things pan out 

31 Replies

  • Andy Catanach

    In reply to Ian Lennox:

    on that the times write up it says.......Uefa chiefs are pushing ahead with plans to hold the "CLIMAX" of Euro 2020 at Wembley Stadium

    Climax ?! could that mean just Semi and Final ?/
  • Scott Burrell
    Without me sounding too dumb can somebody answer the following for me:

    1. If the games are played behind closed doors or in front of a partial capacity and my tickets are cancelled by UEFA I get a full refund?

    2. If the games go ahead with full crowds (and my tickets are still valid) but in a different country, I don't get a refund if I can't go?

    3. How will it work if for say a Wembley (90k) game is moved to a 30k stadium?

    4. UEFA adding pandemic to the force majeure, what are the negatives of that for us ticket holders? Simply just my Q2 that if they move it to a country will to take full crowds and our tickets are still valid, we get nothing if travel isn't allowed?

    Thanks so much to anybody prepared to answer those questions. Really in two minds about what to do. I have a feeling if I get all my money back now, games will go ahead at Wembley with full crowds and if I decide to keep all my tickets, games won't be accessible to me and I'll fall foul of UEFAs T&C's regards a refund!

    Thank you.
  • jason broom

    In reply to Scott Burrell:

    It really is a gamble to what you do . I stared this thread to try and gauge what to do but like every one else I’m still non the wiser plus it doesn’t help when there are 4 in the group . Part of me thinks playit safe take the money and see what happens then the other part thinks you cash in then the say all games played in the uk eat ..... as I said it really is a big gamble unless the FA can give some clarification before the 26
  • Scott Burrell

    In reply to jason broom:

    Completely agree. Nightmare and feels like whatever decision I (we) make will be the wrong one come June. I'm just trying to get clarity on the scenarios which will mean I don't get my money back and will make a decision then.
  • Carl Padley

    In reply to Scott Burrell:

    first 2 questions is yes,not sure on the 3rd question as we dont no if all tge restrictions will be totally lifted by june noing boris we will be back in tier 10 by then will they want only those whose been vaccinated in staduims and number 4 i personally cant see any other country taking full capacities were way ahead of other countries regardinv vacanations and theres not even any talk yet of when we can get 100 back in a stadium never mind 30k
  • Terry Moore

    In reply to Scott Burrell:

    The situation is inducing a lot of anxiety and heightened tension,particularly within group bookings!
    I’d say at least hang on till the day of having to make a decision if you can,and hopefully there will have been at least a UEFA statement pushing back the refund deadline until some definitive information is known!
    I’m convinced Wembley will have the potential 5 England games,the 2 other games are in the lap of the gods,but I’m willing to hang on to them and cross my fingers they get switched to UK or a future refund window gets announced!
  • Gary Smith

    In reply to Scott Burrell:

    I'll try to answer your four points individually. Just my opinion but I have worked in financial payments for 25 years.

    1. If capacity is reduced and your tickets are cancelled, you'll get a refund of the ticket price (UEFA probably won't refund booking fees or any exchange rate movement).
    2. Correct. If, for example, you have a valid QF ticket and the game goes ahead as planned but there are travel restrictions, UEFA will not be liable for a refund. If though UEFA move the stadium, my view is that they would be liable under Section 75 (Consumer Credit Act) legislation. I know they've changed their T&Cs but these do not supersede UK law. Could do with a legal expert to confirm this though!
    3. Again, I believe UEFA is on the hook for a refund if they change the stadium. For example, if the semi-final is moved to a small stadium and your ticket is still valid you should have the option of a refund as you booked a Wembley semi-final ticket.
    4. This is a tricky one. I suspect UEFA have it in there in case government restrictions prevent travel. If there's a new, deadly variant, the government might put us all in lockdown at short notice. If the games are exempt and still go ahead, UEFA will point to this clause to say the circumstances are out of their control and no refunds can be given.

    I'll be hanging on to my tickets but I only purchased the group games and the SF and final if England get there. I think the more difficult choice would be the last 16 and QF games.
  • William Pletts
    I haven't looked at the current refund portal, so forgive me if I'm wrong. A couple of comments mention keeping Wembley tickets but getting refunds for the away games. However previous refund windows have been 'all or nothing'?
  • David Lilley

    In reply to Scott Burrell:

    Scott Burrell
    Without me sounding too dumb can somebody answer the following for me:

    1. If the games are played behind closed doors or in front of a partial capacity and my tickets are cancelled by UEFA I get a full refund?

    Correct  -  you would get a full refund.

    Scott Burrell
    2. If the games go ahead with full crowds (and my tickets are still valid) but in a different country, I don't get a refund if I can't go?

    Correct - this condition is in the UEFA Euro 2020 Refund Policy.

    Scott Burrell
    3. How will it work if for say a Wembley (90k) game is moved to a 30k stadium?

    UEFA will have to cancel 60k of tickets and give a full refund. Most of the unlucky 60k ticketholders will not want their tickets cancelled and their selection by UEFA might be fairly random.

    Scott Burrell
    4. UEFA adding pandemic to the force majeure, what are the negatives of that for us ticket holders? Simply just my Q2 that if they move it to a country will to take full crowds and our tickets are still valid, we get nothing if travel isn't allowed?

    A lot has been made of the fact that a pandemic has been added to the list of force majeure events but I don't think this makes any difference. An epidemic was always in the list of force majeure events. What is a pandemic but an epidemic in every country ! This change is a clarification of existing conditions rather than a new condition.

    If the venue for a match is changed because of a force majeure event then the tickets will remain valid and there will be no refund. However, if crowd numbers at the new venue are limited then UEFA will have to declare some tickets as invalid to bring the numbers down. The invalid tickets will be refunded in full.

    If your tickets remain valid but you cannot travel because of government restrictions on travel in either the departure or arrival country then tough - you are stuffed.

    UEFA will not and never has accepted any responsibility or liability for consequential costs incurred by fans such as travel and accommodation.

  • Nick White
    Decent write up here on the various possible outcomes:

    www.espn.co.uk/.../clock-ticking-for-euro-2020-how-can-the-tournament-survive-the-covid-19-crisis

    It's worth pointing out also that, at the current rate of vaccinations, the demographics that make up 95% of Covid hospital admissions will be vaccinated by April, so things should start changing quite dramatically for us by then.

    With regards to the other host nations; if there is the multi-billion pound carrot dangling of the euros dangling in front of them then I have no doubt they too will accelerate their vaccinations over the coming months.

    I think, at best, we are looking 70% capacity, but realistically 30%. I would also expect that as loyal fans that have done the miles to earn tickets we would get priority over those that just got lucky on the ballots, so we would be all covered under the 30%.

    With all that being said; international travel is still questionable at this stage. Although, last summer people were freely going on holiday throughout Europe as cases dropped dramatically with the warm weather. This coupled with the vaccination programmes do leave me with quite the sense of optimism. Although, if we are unable to travel we are the most fortunate nation in that 5 of our 7 games are played at are home stadium, so we might potentially only miss the R16 and the QF.

    5 months is a long time in Covid world though and a lot can change pretty rapidly, so who knows where we will be. With the current state of play I am maintaining my optimism though, so will firmly be sticking.
  • Andy Catanach

    In reply to Nick White:

    UEFA are from what I see making a decision early march so in about 6 weeks

    plus cant see them dealing in if and buts?

    They will need to be almost certain that whatever they decide will happen so cant see them saying for certain over 20-30% crowds but ??

    hopefully hear more from The FA soon about this deadline date .......

  • Nick White

    In reply to Andy Catanach:

    Yeah, early March is when they'll release plans. I guess, as with anything right now, it's a case of sitting about and waiting.
  • Carl Padley

    In reply to Nick White:

    someone has just put on another post that henry winter has tweeted to say if a match is moved more than 50kms away from original venue eufa will give a full refund
  • Scott Burrell

    In reply to David Lilley:

    Thanks all for the replies, that's been really helpful.

    I'm going to stick. I've got two other random games, one Copenhagen and one Rome through the UEFA ballot so thinking I'll ditch those now but keep everything else.

    Next interesting date will be when UEFA decide what they're doing, can't imagine they'll leave it much later than the start of April but as some have said things change so quickly with Covid. Be absolute madness if the games are behind closed doors or 20% capacity but pubs are packed full of people watching on the TV! We shall see!
  • David Lilley

    In reply to Scott Burrell:

    Some of my reply has been superseded. As stated elsewhere, refunds would be allowed if the venue were changed by more than 50 km.

    support.tickets-euro2020.uefa.com/.../360018865660-Has-UEFA-updated-the-change-of-venue-provisions-of-the-Refund-policy-
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